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Leason's opinion about
EPO Hate Group lawyer, Jim Heller
Finally, I knew that armageddon with Jim Heller
would have to come
Posted by:
Knerde . (Jeff Leason)
12/01/2005
How can any of these cathartic moments happen without the presence
of the dark one himself, Lord Jimbo?
In many ways, Jimbo, the catbox premies have your number.
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Oh, for the love of Christ, Jim!
Re: Yes, Cynthia, you're right -- Jim
Posted by:
Knerde (Jeffrey Leason)
12/01/2005
...Yeah, Jim, and you were a leader. While you never got to be a real
leader in DLM you finally got to be one in the Ex-Premie movement. (15
active members worldwide, some using multiple aliases.)
....And there you are, Jim, talking about being democratic. What a joke.
Your secret circle of insiders was so fucking tight that you needed
a forklift and a hogshead of vaseline to get squeezed in.
... Jim, thank you, thank you, thank you for coming here tonight and
setting me free. I knew that you were my last obstacle in my Ongoing
Exiting Problems. I'm exiting tonight. I'm finally exiting. I have no
fucking heroes. I have no Jimbos no more!
Thank you, Lord Jimbo, thank you. 12/01/2005
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Jim, you are such a spin meister talking about Forum 3 and me
Posted by:
Knerde . (Jeff Leason)
12/01/2005
I can't believe you would attempt to tell the 30 days in May Forum
3 story in such a bogus fashion, Jim.
You're such a liar.
You're such a little creep, Jim.
You'd stop at nothing.
The fact is that it was an impossible situation where everyone suspected
me as both a premie plant and worse. And for you to skim over the whole
ugly story that had me completely brutalized for months is simply 100%
JIM HELLER.
Oh, Father Jim, let me tell my confession to you and later
we can talk about how you bullied 9 year old girls on the witness stand
into looking like dolts and liars when they testify about being raped
by the creepy serial child molester.
My taking over Forum 3 was an unworkable situation where the only sensible
thing and the best thing to do for the ex-premie community was to give
back the reigns to Brian and Katie.
And then at some point you made the infamous, 'Block me, Brian' post
where Brian blocked you. And then there was this whole confessional
period that I won't get into about how you said or Brian said that he
had been a follower of you and your style until Brian broke
free and saw that the Light that Jim Heller was just a fucking creep.
I wish it hadn't taken me so long to break free from the
Jim Heller cult.
I do feel bad about the way you and me, Jimmy boy, double teamed 'em
and kicked the crap out of 'em. I really do feel bad because, IMO, you're
nothing but sick evil, Jim Heller.
Fanatical Hate Group lunatic,
Gerry Lyng of Washington State US, adds his support to Jeff Leason's
cause.
Don't feel alone, Knerde (Jeff Leason)
Posted by:
gerry .
12/01/2005
Jim did set the tone for those earlier forums. I have to admit that
I too fell under his Machiavellian spell and double teamed with Jim
on more than a few cheap beatups before starting my very successful
solo career.
Jim Heller's reply:
There's no talking with you
Posted by:
Jim .
12/01/2005
There really is no talking with you. Both of you. Well, I swore off
talking with Gerry years ago but, you, Drek, were still a friend or
so I thought. But ever since F8 started you've acted like such a loudmouth,
whiny little baby. Can't support that, no siree.
Remember when you took over EPO and the forum for a while there? Why
don't you tell the folks here who weren't around then how long that
lasted and why? Wait, let me. One poster -- not two, not three, one
-- got it into his head that you were some sort of premie "plant"
secretly working for the cult. Many of us stood up to him and just tried
to shut that nonsense down but even with all that, poor, little Drekky
had a fit, threw up his hands and abandoned ship. It was just too much
to withstand those idiotic accusations even if no one took them seriously.
So then F8 happens and you two goofs can't do exactly what you want,
when you want, the way you want. And ever since you've just cried and
whined and behaved like babies. Worked up your frothy suspicions to
the point where F8 warranted the worst, vilest diatribes imaginable.
In the name of what, may I ask? Oh yeah, "blowing off steam".
And now what's this bullshit that somehow I'm not worthy of saying this?
Because I've attacked people before? Yes, I have. I've attacked people
as have most of us who've been at this for any length of time. But the
difference between us is that I haven't attacked people unfairly and
irrationally and, buddy, that's all you got now. Content-wise, you've
got bupkas. Nothing. Just a big fat mouth. That's it.
...Anyway, I want to add this much. Hilltop, I'm kind of sorry I singled
you out. It's just that if you, of all people, can't stand up for someone
like John (Brauns) particularly,
a guy who's really put so much into these ex-premie efforts that, sorry,
Drek (Jeff Leason), he does deserve a medal, your infantile, time-warped
anti-hero stance nothwithstanding, then who can? To dance around the
bullshit that's been thrown at him and the F8 mods here, to suggest
that there's anything like two, reasonable sides to this story, is outrageous.
This is a clear, clear case of right and wrong and it calls for some
righteous expression, in my opinion. It's so very, very funny watching
some of you put on a happy face and try to be so welcoming and accomodating
to any posters here just to show how friendly you are. "Friendly"?
Clearly you don't know what the word means.
Grrr.....
Leason's reply:
And we should expect exactly what from you, Jim?
Posted by:
Knerde (Jeff Leason).
12/01/2005
As a one trick pony can you ever do anything other than aggressively
push and push and push someone in your little sport of psychological
conquest and superiority?
No, John just does that subtle cutting routine he learned from you,
Jimbo. Of course, it's not rash, but the net effect is still the same
- devastating.
You guys are just too clever for the rest of us. That's all that's to
it.
There is simply no way for me to stand up to you and win, Jim. You are
the Master of the Sport. You have so many, many conquests.
Leason responds to Nigel Longhurst of
Liverpool UK, who posted in support of his friend, John Brauns. Apparently,
Nigel Longhurst admires John Brauns' ability
to knowingly distort facts and to openly lie to anyone gullible enough
to communicate with him.
Aw, gee, Nige, I'm hurt
Posted by:
Knerde . (Jeff Leason)
12/01/2005Hey, I'm sure that John is a better person than I'll ever
be. I'll take your word on that since you've actually met him and I
haven't. And you've never met me either for that fact.
Maybe you don't know John as well as you think you do, Nigel.
I think or it feels like to me that JHB (John Brauns) is saying that
I am mentally ill when he uses his many euphemisms like Ongoing Exiting
Problems.
Of course, you don't have any such problems, Nigel. And I'm sure you
might object to people using fancy ass Public school semantics in order
to have the shady upper hand in a conversation. Right?And, Nige, I think
if I ever met you I probably wouldn't like you either. So, tit for tat,
fella and thanks for the wisdom and your expression.
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In last paragraph of this post, Leason
comments on the tactics employed by fellow Hate Group members during
on line 'debate.'
Jim, let's not even go there, ok?
Posted by: Knerde . (Jeff Leason)
12/01/2005
Aw, gee, Jim, you're not going to be my friend anymore?
Like I'm so hurt, Jim.
So, I think it's all good, Jim. There's probably nothing good that can
come of having YOU, of all people, trying to come off as a white hat
wearing good guy. That's laughable!
And, no, you cannot use my real name, Jim. That is against the rules
(His real name is Jeff Leason.)...Of course, John is
just an honest and straightforward person, so I should really consider
that he might be right about that. Or is John using 'Ongoing Exiting
Problems' as a slick euphemism to avoid direct use of the classic cheap
shot of 'You're mentally ill'?
Jim, you guys who are so clever with the words have such a huge advantage
over us little people that discussion is pretty pointless. I'll concede
that, Jim. You got me beat hands down. You beat everyone to a bloody
pulp like the big bad school yard lawyer bully you are.
So, don't even go there, Jim. You have absolutely no credibility with
me, Jim. Oh, yes, I used to think you wereso handsomely dashing the
way you romped on their arses. But I got sick of it...
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Jim, you're banned
Posted by:
Knerde . (Jeff Leason)
12/01/2005
Jim,
I don't want you here.
I wanted to block you last summer when you where chasing Sandy or SHP
all over the place, but because of our so called friendship I didn't
and I banned him instead.
And I came close to banning Gerry, too, for other things.
Yeah, I'm a hypocrite and I'm a bad person and everything else that
anyone wants to say about me.
But, I think it's time for Jim Heller to hang it up and move on.
At times,
the on-line exchange became really sick.
F**k this s**t
Re: ***NEW POLL*** Should there be a Premie/Ex-Premie forum? -- Knerde
Posted by:
Heidi the Cunt .
12/03/200
I say get off the fucking forums, go out to a dark, stinky pub, get
freakin wasted, listen to some loud music, dirty dance, and wake up
in the morning with a stranger in an alley.
Ok Ok, I know it's been done before. But having some goddam fuckin mindless
fuckin activity beats this bullshit all to fuckin hell.
HtC
PS. Knerde, I just heard Anthony Quinn say "I don't take orders"
in the Guns of San Sebastian.
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Is that why you didn't answer your phone last night?
Re: F**k this s**t -- Heidi the Cunt
Posted by:
Knerde . (Jeff Leason)
12/03/2005
I was lonely and was hoping to come over for a little (wrong word) visit.
But you didn't answer your phone.
Yeah, you do remind me of Anthony Quinn. Wasn't he a father at age 83?
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Ok, ok, ok! I give up.
Re: Maybe she could start a consulting business -- gerry
Posted by:
Knerde (Jeff Leason).
12/07/2005
Who's dick do I need to suck off to get out of this nightmare?
And if you tell me it's Canadian dick you might has well just shoot
me. They shoot horses, don't they?
Nah, fuck that.
Jeff Leason describes
himself:
"Me? I'm a looser. I struggle with words. I mix my metaphors.
I am lacking the ability to do the subtle you have 'Ongoing Exiting
Problems' and will instead just tell someone to fuck off and that they
are an asshole.
I can't play this game with the best of them.
I'm crude and I'm lewd. And that's all I'll ever be. I'm the Archie
Bunker of the Ex-Premie Forum worlds."
12/01/2005
"Yeah, I'm a hypocrite and I'm a bad person and everything else
that anyone wants to say about me." 12/01/2005
Leason's comments on the
Hate Group and his role in it.
"Holy crap, I'm tired of this stuff. I'm tired of being hated.
I'm tired of trying to make everybody happy all the time. I'm tired
of playing word games with people like Jim (Heller)
and JHB (John Brauns) who are far better than
it than I am.
That's the thing. It's a bunch of stiff pricks playing smarty pants
word games trying to always come out the winner." 12/01/2005
To Hamzen:
"It's always been a goddamn bitch running these forums, Hamzen.
Half of the people hate the other half of the people at all times. The
fighting and the politics and the people going nutz like myself and
on and on and on it goes.
Why do I do this?
I don't know.
I know that most of you probably don't like me. And I know that I don't
even know who most of you are.
I'm not asking for another goddamn show your appreciation to eDrek (Jeff
Leason) right now. I'm not. I don't want that."12/06/2005
How do other members of
the group view Jeff Leason? Here's Lexy's opinion:
As this forum is all about telling the Truth...
Posted by:
Lexy .
12/07/2005
How about a new, more truthful name.
Something like:
Knerde's (Jeff Leason's) version of "the truth"
forum where he goes on and on and on and and on, very,very boringly,repeating
the same old stuff over and over again, posting and reposting and then
saying it again just in case we didn't get it the first time and then
posting again and then changing his name (again) and posting something
similar again and then repeating it and whinging and whining and throwing
a few nasty insults here and there and then being toxic again and then
seeing if he can be even more obnoxious than the last time and surely
he can do better than that.Whine whine whine whinge whinge and rake
up some more ancient history and whinge on and on and on about that
and then another post the same old whine boring boring boring and please
pay attention to Knerde 'cos he's in desperate need to be noticed and
have we all noticed him yet, he definitely doesn't think so and sling
another insult over there such fun but oh so very very boring. Snore
snore snore zzzzzz aaaaaargh glug glug toxic toxic and then humiliation
and a bit more and not enough yet lets do it again but a new victim
this time and it's sooooo boring and who cares and can't we just have
somewhere where we can post without all that stuff 'cos it's just soooo
whinge whinge whine whine whine notice Me NOTICE MEEEEE boring and ok
we've noticed you Knerde really we've all noticed you and we bow down
before your cyber feet and are humble and do homage glug snore
Web master's comment:
Alexandra, you have the intelligence and wit to write the above, yet
you spend hundreds of hours of your free time on their sick, silly forums
reading and responding to toxic diatribe. What do you get out of it?
- a piddly dose of angst driven adrenaline? Is that the best you can
do for a hobby?
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You know what, Lexy?
Re: As this forum is all about telling the Truth... -- Lexy
Posted by: Knerde (Jeffrey Leason) 12/07/2005
I don't like you. I really don't like you. You annoy me no end.
I've tried and I've tried, but I don't like you.
No, I don't like repeating myself again and again, but I feel that I
have the responsibility to repeat myself to someone like Moley when
she comes here and says this that and the other and she was not here.
I feel the obligation to spend my precious time explaining my actions
and my opinions again to people who ask.
No, I'm not asking to be noticed. I don't like this attention.
And noting that forum8 didn't leave a link to this forum or Hamzen's
forum or any forum is newsworthy. I'm sorry if you don't see it that
way, Lexy.
And, Lexy, exactly how was your post helpful at all other than you taking
the piss out of me?
Ok, I think that you are a shit stirrer.
And, Lexy, if you don't like me then you can leave and find another
forum. Or you don't have to read my posts. We all have free choice.
And at least at this forum you know exactly who you are criticising.
P.S. Lexy, I think I've just been waiting for you to add your big two
cents. So, thanks. I'm having so much fucking fun spending my time explaining
myself again and again. It's not like I don't have other shit to do.
Yeah, this does suck.
Bwahaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!
We're full circle.
When Gerry dinked the forum software and it all went to hell he was
fed up with a very similar post Lexy made to him (and me.)
And I feel like doing a Gerry.
Thanks Lexy!
I really appreciate your little shit stirrer thing you got going. You
seem to be one of those high maintenance "it's all about me"
folks that we've had here before. Oh my god, was that a nightmare or
what?
Hopefully, if it is so toxic here, Lexy, you'll just go away once and
for all.
Jeff Leason's psychotic
ranting is not limited to hate group forums.
The following post was monitored on a music web site.
From: Jeff Leason
Subject: I'm giving up on your website. Fuck Chris Leslie-Hynan, a bad
writer who says nothing at all.
The little lame-ass story about Kristen Hersh's new band and album,
50 foot wave is so fucking lame that I'm never ever going to click into
your website again.
Yeah, I used to live in Chicago and I would expect more from someone
who lives in Chicago in terms of honesty and integrity, Ryan. But your
little blurb or who ever wrote it is totally lame and completely irresponsible.
Yeah, the new young punk or whatever you new little fucking dweebs have
labeled yourselves is nothing but a cowardly cop-out Janet Jackson tit
hanging out kind of weird world.
Your general tone (including all the little weenie writers you've got
in your stable) has been sometimes right on, but there's too much "attitude".
Fuck you and the stupid Napster that you rode in on.
Yeah, I'm an old MOFO and I've been listening to music and I'm talking
cutting edge music for more years than you've been alive. You don't
know shit. Ok, Kristen isn't the totally most cooooooolest or whatever
stupid words you fuckers use these days, but the little article was
lame in every way possible.
I've read other reviews and what not on your website, Ryan. And some
is good and some is really just pitifully lame. Like really bad, man.
You're the editor. Your name is on the masthead, Ryan. Do your job as
an editor and cut the pieces that don't measure up the lowest of all
journalism bars.
At this point, Ryan, I've finally made up my mind that your website
is a waste of fucking bandwidth. I've been reading and wondering. There's
some good stuff some of the time and then there's just a bunch of really
bad stoooooopid lame-ass stuff. And usually, Ryan, you are the author
of the lame-ass stuff. I usually like your stuff. But a lot of your
writers are just trying to be cute and ha-ha funny. And you need to
edit your writers and I'm talking Chris Leslie-Hymen. Read the first
paragraph, Ryan, it's pure B.S. that makes no sense whatsoever. It's
simply baaaaaaa-ddddd. I mean, ha-ha. I'm too hip and I don't have to
write anything that has content. I can just write oblique pretentious
B.S. that all the other young hipsters will understand.
I only hope that more people bail on your website because you use writers
who cannot write. Too bad, because with all the little sponsors you
could have made some money. But, I suspect that intelligence will win
out and you will be another one hit wonder, an internet has-been, a
flash-in-the-pan.
Adios, Ryan.
A Response from Chris Leslie-Hynan:
Dear Jeff,
I am going to give you a donkey-punching.
Probably it will happen this weekend. In the meantime, work on making
different parts of your sentences agree with one another, and go to
this page: subpop.com/features/pdork. The news story entitled "Pitchfork
Staff Member says "Hi" to real life woman" may seem familiar
to you in some way.
Chris Leslie-Hynan
Pitchfork News: 02-13-04: New Kristin Hersh Band 50 Foot Wave Complete
Debut Album
Subpop's PitchDork
Observers believe the following posts
were written by either Jeff Leason or Gerry Lyng while masquerading
as 'Elmo' and hacking the Cat's Whisker forum:
Posted: Thurs, Apr 29, 2004 at 19:23:19 (EST)
Why don't I play with the Ex's forum? LISTEN TO ME MORON...are they
using Hotboards? No? ARE YOU GETTING THE FUCKING CLUE YET? How many
more times do I have to say it? How many times have you read that the
hacking will continue for as long as you use Hotboards? Are you actually
this fucking stupid? I'm being serious. I'm quite concerned. I think
you have significant reading disabilities, learning disorders, or maybe
you're just plain handicapped in some meaningful way.
Posted: In a future where I wish I was Elmo.
Posted by: Elmo
Recipient: All
Subject: One other thing
Message:
Quit impersonating me fucktards.
I am Elmo. I haven't posted on this board until my post on July 2. All
the other "Elmo" posts are by wannabes, I haven't a clue who
they are. They aren't connected to me....
How can I prove I'm Elmo? There isn't a fucking one of you here who
can hack your post information. You can't hack your browser type, your
IP address, date posted, etc. If you want me to prove I'm Elmo just
ask any of the wannabe's to post from "army.mil" or any other
IP range you desire. Ask any of the impersonators to change their browser
type to something completely false. Make something up. It doesn't fucking
matter.
Ask one of these Elmo impersonators to post a message and have the date
of the message read Sometime in the future... They can't fucking do
it. But, I can. Go ride someone else's coat tails you fucks. You're
not me. You'll never be me. Get over it.
Note my BROWSER TYPE and POST DATE of this message - If ANYONE ELSE
wants to claim they are me, you are free to reply to THIS POST using
that same information when you do. It will be the only proof.
How's that grab ya, fuckers?
- Elmo
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