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A "flight of toxic fantasy." "I have never, ever seen anyone
dress up so much opinion, hearsay, rumour, innuendo and plain guesswork
as fact." "That was the funniest piece of twaddle yet produced
by Far Fetched Productions Inc." These comments accurately describe a report attributed
to Nya Murray which has been sent to some government departments in
Australia. It appears to be based on false or inaccurate information
supplied by Neville Ackland and/or John Macgregor. Nya Murray has had
no first hand experience on which to base her report. Macgregor
was sued by EV over his malicious use of
stolen documents. He has since apologized
to Prem Rawat and issued an affidavit
in which he exposes the Hate Group. Ackland,
was jailed in QLD in 2003 following his conviction
on Drug and Firearms offenses. He has since
been released from jail. The first half of the report is a rehash of the
main points in Macgregor's Sept 2002 tabloid
attack on EV and Prem Rawat. The second half concerns Amaroo (Ivory's
Rock Convention Center). The report was posted on an X internet forum,
and I expect that it will resurface on one of their web sites. Erudite replies by an independent authority and
people currently associated with IRCC are presented on this page. June 2003
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I just checked out that thread over at F7, breakfast rising in my throat. I couldn't stand to read the whole flight of toxic fantasy, but I did read the whole thing on Amaroo. If anyone is wondering, it is bullshit from beginning to end. Every so-called 'fact' is wrong, from the size of the property (20,000 hectares?) to the money spent on development. The alleged health problem with the pine building cladding is crap too. It is a standard building material. The tree planting stuff is garbage. I was involved with tree planting from early days, and I have the original specification in front of me. They were provided by a Civil Engineer and are from the Southern California Chapter of the American Public Works Association. The problem with tree planting at Amaroo is that there is about 6 inches of poor soil above a layer of something like concrete. Eucalypts survive by sending out horizontal roots, but they are no good for shade, as they turn their leaves down in the daytime. Only ONE tree was ever planted to the 1 cubic metre soil replacement (definitely NOT mulch!) system. It is a fig, and is the only shade tree on the property that I consider to be thriving. The California system was recommended because soil conditions there are similar to Western Brisbane. It was NOT some personal whim of MJ's. Because it is VERY expensive only one tree was planted in that manner. I am involved now in researching something else that might work. Nothing yet. A subsequent post: Aahh, what's the use? Do any of those people care what is really happening? Stupid question. In case the point is lost, shallow soil is a BIG problem at Amaroo which has not yet been adequately solved by engaged professionals, least of all by wankers like Neville. In spite of problems like this, Amaroo remains a superb example of environmental improvement, and is a place that is dear to the hearts of a huge number of people. Quoll copy of mail received Dear Mr (name withheld) Thank you for the forwarded e-mail document and your enquiry regarding it. I have checked our records concerning a number of claims made in the documents and have found them to be either false or in error. In our dealings with IRCCC we have encountered many situations in which we have had to engage various authorities and consultants. At all times IRCCC have complied with the recommendations put forward and have in fact won several awards for their contributions to environmental protection and wildlife care at their facility in the South Ipswich region. That is a reality the complaining parties should have been aware of before publishing such documents with their numerous fallacious 'facts.' Thank you for your communication, sincerely, G.... H...... Dept of state CA It's not a worry Quoll, as soon as any authority reading the material comes across ONE provably false claim, they will discount the whole thing. As you say, the thing is full of them from start to finish, not to mention some truly awful English! As Cat says, they really have shot their bolt this time. Most definitely a keeper, to be used over and over as an ex-premie quality and integrity benchmark -very sloppy work! Someone should have edited Nya's pitiful grammar and howling errors much more thoroughly. QLD correspondent
These poor souls don't realise that their descriptions of 'life under the Gulag' give excellent pointers to the authors. For instance the information regarding Road Construction and Tree Planting. Now this would require someone skilled in the science of Horticulture with a good knowledge of rural and urban Transport distribution. Hi Neville! Neville Ackland worked on Road construction at Amaroo. The actual contractors laughed at him because of his air of 'experience' and his attempts to 'stroke' the workers with his blokey attitude. The guys thought him really amusing. As we know, few people in Queensland know more about growing things green than Nifty. But the tree story is lame. I asked a guy down here who is a recognised expert in Ornamental Horticulture about the method described and he told me that it is a commonplace practice with large transplants. Farmers dont know about such things. Especially Croppers. Nifty has obviously benefited since he moved on. He is now an expert on transplanting and harvesting large tree like perennials! And he seems to have worked out the best methods for transport and supply! The description of the MD's (Metal Detectors indicates that the person telling the tale has not experienced the sublime joy of walking through a monitored magnetic field with infrared sensors at Amaroo! No-one had to remove coins, watches or belts. Do you have to do so at an airport? No, and nor did we out there. My recollection was that they looked mighty similar to MD's I've seen at the Olympics, at Airports and at a nightclub. Nothing special. I have never, ever seen anyone dress up so much opinion, hearsay, rumour, innuendo and plain guesswork as fact anywhere before. To me it looked very high school projectish. John Normally I am able to be pretty philosophical about the negativity over at F7. I know if you haven't experienced Knowledge for a while it could seem as if it never existed, and the effect of a group of people with whom you feel you have something in common cheering you on ('Great post Nya' and so forth) must be intoxicating. When they applaud everything you say, you must get the feeling it must all be true. But this morning I got angry, and stayed that way for an hour or more. This is unusual, I generally get over things much quicker. What ended the anger was the thought that 'Hey, this is anger, and it doesn't coexist with Knowledge. If they want to stop you experiencing Knowledge, you are letting them do it!' So, end of anger. But I did come to one decision, and it is irrevocable. The people involved need not come snivelling and grovelling, I have made up my mind Neville, you are off my invite list! That's right, no BBQ for you this year! Quoll  the
Great Bunny Beatup
The armed guard story came from Neville Ackland. Neville was subsequently arrested for possession of unlicenced, unsecured firearms and $2.5 million worth of marijuana. He smoked far too much of his own hooch and lost the plot - a condition also known as marijuana psychosis.  |